In this illuminating interview with a modern-day adherent of esoteric practices, Rob Yench. We gain unique insights into the world of ritual magic and the occult. Tracing his early fascination with the mystical to influences like horror movies and heavy metal music during his teenage years, the interviewee describes a seminal mystical experience in his twenties that affirmed his ongoing pursuit of magical knowledge. He discusses various branches of contemporary ritual practice including sigil magic, candle magic, ceremonial magic and necromancy while highlighting themes of personal growth, self-discovery and connection to unseen realms. The exchange explores speculative relationships between realms like the mystical, extraterrestrial and governmental while emphasizing the need for credible evidence and critical thinking when investigating unconventional topics that often court controversy. By sharing profound perspectives from a first-hand practitioner, this interview promises to both intrigue and invite thoughtful examination of subjects often shrouded in mystery.
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Background and Introduction
PAA: Can you share a bit about your personal journey and how you got involved in the practice of magic? What sparked your interest initially?
My journey into the world of magic began during my early teenage years, fueled by a combination of my love for horror movies and a fascination with the mystical elements present in fiction books. Growing up, I found myself drawn to the mysterious and the supernatural—things that society often dismissed as unreal. What specifically ignited my interest was the theme of Satanism, prevalent in many ’70s
and ’80s horror movies. It intrigued me how magic, especially in popular culture, was often associated with dark or black magic. Raised in a household where my parents, despite being brought up Catholic, didn’t impose religious practices on my sister and me, I had the freedom to explore my own curiosities. My affinity for heavy metal further deepened my connection to the mystical.
The imagery associated with the genre, particularly the dark and magical aspects, resonated with me on a profound level. I distinctly remember being captivated by the allure of rumored backward messages in Led Zeppelin records. As a young teenager, I eagerly delved into these mysteries, attempting to decipher the supposed satanic messages hidden in the reverse play of iconic songs like “Stairway to Heaven.”
This early exploration set the stage for my ongoing journey into the realms of magic and mysticism, shaping my perspective and sparking a lifelong curiosity about the unseen and the extraordinary.
A voice asked me if I was ready to proceed. Without hesitation, I affirmed my readiness…
PAA: Were there any specific experiences or moments that motivated you to delve deeper into magic
as a practitioner?
In my teenage years, I dabbled in the occult through experiences like seances and Ouija board sessions. However, these encounters didn’t immediately convince me of the reality of what I was exploring. At that point, I found myself becoming increasingly private about my interest in the occult. Even within the heavy metal community, where one might expect an openness to such topics, discussing the occult felt taboo. Whenever I broached the subject, I faced ridicule, which led me to keep my explorations hidden from friends and family. This isolation continued until a significant turning point in my early twenties. Hours after engaging in left-hand path work, I had a profound dream-like experience that would prove to be a pivotal moment. In this surreal encounter, a voice asked me if I was ready to proceed. Without hesitation, I affirmed my readiness. What followed was an indescribable journey—I felt as though I was being drawn into a colorful, wormhole-like state, converging into a single bright point. The point transformed into a glowing pentacle, expanding and changing colors until I woke up.
The aftermath of this experience was a cascade of emotions—bewilderment, fear, happiness, and a profound sense of surprise. It was a surreal encounter that left me contemplating its significance. Ultimately, I came to understand it as my first deep connection with something beyond the veil of ordinary existence, hidden from our everyday perceptions.
Exploration of Magical Practice
PAA: What specific types or branches of magic do you primarily focus on in your practice? Are there any particular traditions or schools of thought that you find most compelling?
In my current magical practice, I find myself drawn to several distinct branches, each offering unique insights and experiences. Specifically, I focus on three main areas: Sigil Magic, Candle Magic, and Ceremonial Magic.
Sigil Magic: This form of magic involves the creation and use of symbols, or sigils, to manifest one’s intentions. The process of crafting these symbols and witnessing their transformative power has been a fascinating aspect of my journey.
Candle Magic: The symbolism and ritualistic nature of candle magic appeal to me deeply. It provides a tangible and visually compelling way to channel energy and focus intentions, making the magical process more immersive and impactful.
Ceremonial Magic: Engaging in ceremonial magic allows me to tap into ancient rituals and traditions. The structured and formal nature of these practices adds a layer of depth and significance to my magical workings.
In the past, I delved into the intriguing realm of Left-Hand Path Satanism, exploring its unconventional perspectives and practices. Additionally, I hold the esteemed position of Blue Lodge Master Mason in Freemasonry. The Masonic lodge to which I belong boasts rich history of over 140 years, and the profound experience of initiation has been a cornerstone of my journey within this venerable organization.
Furthermore, my studies have extended to the esoteric teachings of the Golden Dawn, providing me with valuable insights into the Western magical tradition. These diverse influences contribute to the richness and depth of my magical practice, creating a dynamic and evolving tapestry of knowledge and experience
PAA: Could you describe your experiences with evocation? How do you approach working with spirits or entities within your magical practice? Have there been any significant or memorable encounters with spirits or entities that have impacted your understanding or beliefs about the spiritual realm?
In my magical practice, evocation holds a profound significance as it involves the deliberate summoning of spirits, demons, deities, or other supernatural entities within the rich tapestry of the Western mystery tradition. This act, often referred to as conjuration, goes beyond mere ritualistic gestures—it’s a dynamic, intentional engagement with forces beyond the veil.
For me, evocation is a sacred art, a deliberate reaching out to connect with energies that exist beyond our immediate perception. It’s a process that demands both focus and respect, recognizing the potent energies at play. Whether evoking spirits, demons, or deities, each encounter is a unique exploration, shaped by the intention and framework I bring to the ritual.
In the Western tradition, the conjuration of the spirits of the deceased for divination, known as necromancy, is a fascinating facet of my practice. This adds an additional layer of depth to my magical workings, as I seek guidance and insights from the other side. I acknowledge the parallels between these practices and those found in various religious and magical traditions worldwide. The universality of summoning practices speaks to the human desire to connect with the unseen realms, a pursuit that transcends cultural and historical boundaries.
It’s worth noting that the use of mind-altering substances, both with and without uttered word formulas, is a thread woven into these traditions. While I approach such tools with a mindful and informed perspective, their potential for expanding consciousness and facilitating a deeper connection with the mystical is an aspect I find intriguing and occasionally incorporate into my rituals.
In essence, my approach to evocation is one of reverence, curiosity, and a profound respect for the energies and entities I seek to engage. Each ritual is a unique journey, an exploration into the mysteries that enrich and shape my ongoing magical practice.
Goals and Intentions in Magic
PAA: What are your personal goals or aspirations in your magical practice? How do you measure progress or success in your magical pursuits?
In my magical practice, my goals and aspirations are multifaceted. At its core, magic serves as a transformative tool for self-discovery, personal growth, and the pursuit of inner wisdom. My overarching goal is to continually deepen my understanding of the mystical and spiritual dimensions, forging a profound connection with the forces that shape our reality. Measuring progress or success in magical pursuits is a nuanced endeavor. It involves both tangible outcomes and intangible shifts in consciousness. While achieving specific outcomes in rituals is certainly one aspect, the real markers of success lie in the subtle changes within myself—heightened awareness, expanded perspectives, and an enhanced ability to navigate life’s challenges with wisdom and resilience.
PAA: Do you view magic primarily as a tool for personal growth and development, or do you engage in it for other reasons as well?
I predominantly view magic as a potent tool for personal growth and development. It acts as a mirror, reflecting the depths of my psyche and catalyzing transformative change. The rituals and practices I engage in serve as a crucible for self-exploration, providing insights into the intricate tapestry of my inner world. Beyond personal growth, my engagement with magic extends to broader aspirations. I seek to contribute positively to the world around me, fostering a sense of interconnectedness and harmony. Magic becomes a means to tap into universal energies, channeling them toward constructive and transformative endeavors, both for myself and the collective.
Interest in UFOs and Possible Connections
PAA: You’ve expressed an interest in UFOs. What fascinates you about this topic, and what do you think these unidentified phenomena might be? Do you perceive any potential overlap or connections between your magical work and the realm of UFOs or extraterrestrial phenomena? If so, in what ways do you see them intersecting?
My fascination with UFOs stems from the intriguing parallels I observe between this phenomenon and the occult. Both subjects often face skepticism and dismissal, yet they carry the potential for profound revelations. In a world quick to label them as phony without solid foundations, I find it essential to approach these mysteries with an open mind.
The nature of UFOs presents a myriad of possibilities, from the existence of fourth-dimensional beings to interstellar travelers or even evolved humans reaching back into their own historical past. The enigma surrounding these unidentified phenomena invites speculation and curiosity, fueling my ongoing exploration into their potential origins and significance.
I believe there’s a meaningful connection between UFOs and the occult. Both realms challenge conventional understanding and tap into the uncharted territories of our existence. Interestingly, when Aleister Crowley conducted the Amalantrah Working in New York, there’s speculation that this occult experiment created a deliberate channel for extra-dimensional entities, possibly paving the way for what we now recognize as gray aliens. This underscores the idea that the occult and UFO phenomena may share common ground—a realm where the boundaries between dimensions blur.
The potential overlap between my magical work and the realm of UFOs is a fascinating aspect of my exploration. It’s conceivable that the rituals and practices in the occult can create conduits or portals for entities to enter our universe, bridging the gap between the mystical and the extraterrestrial.
Occult, Government, and Historical Connections
PAA: There’s been speculation about connections between the occult and governmental institutions. What are your thoughts on this relationship? Do you believe there’s a historical tie between occult practices and government actions or initiatives? The intersection of the occult and history, particularly regarding the Nazi regime’s interest in occult practices, has garnered attention. How do you perceive this connection? Are there specific instances or artifacts, like the “Nazi Bell” for example?
The recent shift in the government’s stance on UFOs has undoubtedly sparked a wave of curiosity and questions about the extent of its involvement in the unidentified aerial phenomena. Areas like Area 51, Bob Lazar’s revelations, and the enigmatic Skinwalker Ranch have long been subjects of speculation. Whistleblowers shedding light on these secretive matters add another layer to the ongoing exploration of government and UFO connections. It’s a fascinating and evolving landscape, and the revelations offer a
glimpse into what might have been concealed for years.
The intersection of occult practices and the Nazi regime during World War II has long captivated my interest. The mysterious “Nazi Bell” is a particularly intriguing artifact, and living close to its crash site adds a personal connection to this historical enigma.
Conversations with locals who shared their direct experiences further contribute to the rich tapestry of narratives surrounding this event. The annual festival at the firehouse near the crash site in Kecksburg reflects the lasting impact and fascination with this historical occurrence.
The Kecksburg incident of December 9, 1965, is a notable event that remains shrouded in mystery. Reports of a brilliant fireball, debris, grass fires, and sonic booms have fueled speculation for decades. While NASA’s statement attributing metallic fragments to a Russian satellite provides an official explanation, recent investigations suggest alternative theories. The notion of a General Electric Mark 2 Re-entry Vehicle falling out of orbit raises intriguing possibilities, yet confirmation from NASA or the Air Force is crucial for a comprehensive understanding.
The intertwining of government actions, occult practices, and historical mysteries offers a complex and captivating narrative. It’s a journey of exploration where the pursuit of truth often leads to more questions than answers.
Personal Insights and Research:
PAA: In your personal research or exploration of these topics, have you encountered any compelling evidence or anecdotes that suggest a closer link between the occult and government activities or unconventional explanations for UFO phenomena? How do you approach discussing or investigating these topics, considering the fine line between speculation and credible information within the realms of the occult, government involvement, and unexplained phenomena?
Currently there is no credible scientific evidence supporting a connection between the occult and government activities or unconventional explanations for UFO phenomena. The study of the occult generally falls outside the realm of mainstream science, and claims related to government involvement in occult practices often lack substantiated evidence.
Regarding UFO phenomena, it’s essential to differentiate between unexplained aerial sightings and speculative interpretations. While there have been many sightings of unidentified flying objects, it doesn’t necessarily imply extraterrestrial origin. The scientific approach involves gathering empirical data, conducting thorough investigations, and relying on peer-reviewed research to draw conclusions.
When discussing or investigating these topics, it’s crucial to maintain a skeptical and evidence-based approach. Speculation without solid evidence can lead to misinformation and the spread of unfounded theories. Reliable sources, peer-reviewed research, and expert opinions should be prioritized over anecdotal accounts or unverified claims.
It’s important to recognize the fine line between speculation and credible information and to emphasize the need for critical thinking and scientific inquiry. While these topics may capture public interest and imagination, responsible discourse requires a commitment to evidence-based reasoning and a willingness to revise views in the face of new, credible information. As with any field of study, openness to new evidence is crucial.
Final Thought and Thanks
I would like to extend my deepest gratitude to Perseus Arcane Academy for the incredible opportunity to be interviewed for your esteemed publication. It was truly an honor to share my insights on occult and esoteric beliefs during our discussion. I am hopeful that the readers of your publication will find the interview intriguing and thought-provoking.
For those interested in delving further into the profound discussions on these mystical topics, I invite them to explore my podcast, “The Magister Dixit Podcast.” In this podcast, we engage in in-depth conversations with some of the most influential modern-day experts in the realms of occult and esoteric knowledge. Our discussions go beyond the surface, offering listeners a chance to explore the intricacies of these subjects while gaining insights into the experts’ perspectives on people, literature, film, music, and current affairs. Once again, I express my gratitude to Perseus Arcane Academy for the opportunity to contribute to your publication, and I look forward to the possibility of further engagement and exploration in the future.